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Michael Lee Stallard

Rosa,

You've made my day just reading your thoughtful post. Thank you for the time and effort you put into it as well as the humility of your words. You've given me a lot of food for thought and I plan to reflect on it over the coming days.

With much gratitude and respect,

Michael

billso

That's a great post! There's nothing wrong with a tourism economy, as long as there is some balance with the local economy. the recent shutdowns of Aloha Airlines and ATA have been a wake up call for local businesses.

One might compare Honolulu to Las Vegas, but there are major difference between the styles and approaches of these two cities. Las Vegas had more room to grow and less local history to appropriate, after all.

Legalized gambling would wreck Oahu. Illegal gambling is bad enough in the state of Hawaii, and it is sad that so many residents tolerate and support these activities.

Illegal vacation rentals are another problem in our state. It's a sign of selfishness, and a further erosion of community values.

The local infrastructure must accommodate tourists, after all... but the culture should not bend so much that it breaks apart.

Rosa Say

Mahalo nui to you Michael. You gave me the opportunity to write through something that was good for me to sit with and think more about in a very personal way. This is likely to be an essay I will continually edit relentlessly, claiming that privilege as a citizen publisher still studying her own roots. That said, I am not sure I could honestly say I'd have tackled this without some kind of prompting, so I am grateful to you.

Rosa Say

Mahalo for adding your perspective Bill; this surely is an intriguing time to live in Hawai‘i, isn't it. I am not sure we have ever grappled with issues so large and unsettling, but then again, I must say I wonder at times if they seem overly so because we are so technologically connected now... in all we call "modern" there can rarely be the statement made that "ignorance is bliss."

Selfishness has been a convenience we must all question right now as we realize that our places are becoming more and more fragile each day. I must be positive though, and put selfishness together with convenience, as a true luxury we can no longer afford. I prefer to think that selfishness is not the true, root cause motivation people have... that would be sad indeed!

Joanna Young

Rosa, thank you for sharing this most thoughtful essay.

This line resonated in particular - The concept of ‘āina, though literally and simply translated as land, is huge, and includes the ocean, and as far as your canoe can possibly take you.

I wonder if it is because it reminds me of you, who paddles her canoe so beautifully and graciously as far as it can take her - and us.

Joanna

Rosa Say

Joanna, first I must say mahalo; thank you for the generosity of your compliment, and for the constant of your friendship in reading so much of what I write, especially something of this length! I know what a full time this is for you right now.

Second I must share this admission: You have begun to know me in such a perceptive way, and can say so much to me with so few sentences! I thought about the canoe quite a bit while within this writing, wondering about the faith and bravery of the earliest Hawaiian peoples, and wondering what kind of person I might have been if living at that time, not yet having the benefit of living hundreds of years in their future, with their life lessons-learned as my teachers. They had such bravery, and their voyaging was a tremendous leap of faith. Their legacy has been to give what was a leap of faith for them, as a very basic belief for me: Within their aloha, all people are inherently born to good, meant to be good, and to accomplish great things. Any reaching out I might do is a reaffirmation of that belief when I am blessed enough to make connections with others, much more than it could ever be called Koa, courageous, or Lokomaika‘i, generous.

I need look no further than the comments I have gotten here already from you, Bill, and Michael as more proof!

amypalko

Thank you, Rosa, for taking the time to write this beautiful post that has given me so much to think about. One of the quotations that you include, “How can you know who you are if you do not know your place?”, struck a particular chord with me. I believe that our 'place', our land, our 'aina' (am I using that correctly, Rosa?) is integral to our sense of self and to the values we hold onto as a way of expressing that sense of self. Whilst your writing here specifically addresses the values that have developed in Hawaii, I can see how it would be possible to extrapolate some of what you have said here, to all those who appreciate and embrace that sense of place, that feeling of belonging, that source of strength and identity.
I have a feeling I'll be revisiting this post, Rosa!

Soultravelers3

Thanks Rosa, I really enjoyed reading this and since we have just met, it was especially enlightening and thought provoking. I mentioned to you on twitter, some of my many connections to Hawaii, why it has held intrigue for me since early childhood.

My cousin is married to a native Hawaiian and lives there, but I have learned more in your one post than many of my conversations with her on this topic.

I have never lived long enough in one place to feel like it was " my place" and think perhaps much of the earth feels like "home" to me....especially places that combine mountains and sea. ( Of course, Moscow outskirts and Jerusalem do not have that and I weeped at both places at first sight with a sense of knowing too). I use to have a favorite T-shirt that said " Only visiting this planet". ;)

Yet I do think a sense of place and history has a profound effect on people. I feel the 800 years of peace here in Andalucia between the Christians, Jews and Muslims, but also the anguish of the inquisition...in the land.

I love the combination of adventuring and isolation that you bring up! I can relate. ;)

I have read that Hawaii is one of the spiritual centers on earth, so that pulls me there more than anything. I look forward to reading more of your thoughts and rereading this a few times. ;)

Rosa Say

Amy, the Sense of Place exercise that Kumu Tommy Kaulukukui was referring to (What is your MWROWR- mountain, valley, river, ocean, wind and rain) was presented to us in the context of learning Hawaiian-rooted leadership principles, and I would say that your mana‘o added here for us makes a similarly strong connection! We must self-manage and self-lead before we can presume to manage or lead others, or even set the best example for our children and/or community, and that self-direction of our behaviors does require that we have a sense of belonging (just as Abraham Maslow shared his pyramid to articulate our hierarchy of human needs.)

And yes Amy, because I know a bit more of your context (having the extraordinary richness of our personal friendship to draw from) you indeed use your reference to ‘āina correctly within your Ho‘ohana, your intention :) You know how much I wholeheartedly agree that Sense of Place is a “source of strength and identity” for us.

When I wrote Managing with Aloha there was no question for me where I would add my pages on Sense of Place, although it is a concept which actually runs through the entire book like a silent but steady heartbeat: I described Sense of Place within my earliest draft on Nānā i ke kumu, and it never was edited or shifted elsewhere.

Rosa Say

Jeanne D’Arc (aka @soultravelers3) :) mahalo nui for continuing our conversation here! (Those 140-character tweets are challenging for get-to-know you talk stories, aren’t they?)

I can relate more to your cousin than you would guess! For the majority of us here in the islands, living in Hawai‘i today is not much different than living in any modern, cosmopolitan city, even if we grew up here (from “small kid time” as we say.) To truly learn more of a culture we are supposedly immersed in (again, within ‘isolation’) one must dedicate the time to studying it, and studying it with several sources collectively represented by what we call the mo‘ōlelo, succession of talk in story told through the generations (both factual and romantic). It was a study I did not passionately (or diligently) leap into myself until I met Dr. Kanahele and was well into my adult years (and already a wife and mother.) I am very pleased to know you feel this has been helpful to you.

Hawai‘i certainly is a place where people arrive at a comfort with those spiritual tuggings you mention. One link somewhat buried in my article is the one at the end of that section I called “Mythology, Religion and Spirituality.” It goes to a wonderful story Professor George Tanabe wrote for the current issue of Hawaiian Airlines’ inflight Hana Hou magazine called Shaka Budda on our Hawai‘i-grown interpretation of Zen Buddhism. It is another way to consider our melting pot!

I must say that what you have (“much of the earth feels like "home" to me”) versus what you say you don’t have (“I have never lived long enough in one place to feel like it was my place”) is very inspiring to me. That is why I just had to meet you when I was fortunate enough to catch a tweet or two of your conversation with Amy!

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