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Jonathan Bailey

Just to quickly clarify a point in my article, I realize that copyright protection won't stop the bad guys from being bad guys, that would be naive. However, it at least gives you a tool to stop the ones who do plagiarize and protect both your readers and yourself.

By going public domain, rather than something more modest, one ensures that the bad guy gets away, both encouraging them to start and securing their future in the business.

I just didn't see a point in that and, from the tone of your piece, you seem rather unsure of it as well.

That being said, I read your story with a smile. I've had similar situations with my work, especially my poetry, in the past. They are always unusual and awkward, but also rewarding.

On that note though, if there is anything that I can do to help, please don't hesitate to write and let me know. I'll gladly do what I can.

Take care and good luck!

Joanna Young

Rosa, thanks for sharing these reflections. I find it all a bit bewildering to be honest and don't know enough about it to offer an opinion, beyond I thought this was what Creative Commons was for.

I read Jonathan's article (hello Jonathan!) from a link on one of the comments at Zen Habits (wow, a lot of sycophantic readers there...) and thought it gave a very fair analysis of the position and potential drawbacks. Like Jonathan I had wondered if this was something of a stunt that 'big names' were using to draw more attention to themselves but that might backfire for others.

By the way I loved the way you describe coming across your work like this - I would have loved to see the guy's face! But your graciousness, as ever, shines through.

Thanks for exploring these issues for us so thoughtfully

Joanna

Rosa Say

Aloha Jonathan, thank you for coming by and commenting for me here. Like Joanna says, I too felt you wrote a very thoughtful article about this move by Leo and Trent, and I have subscribed to your blog so that I can learn more from you - in that way, I have a feeling you *will* be helping me, and have already helped many others. For instance, Creative Commons makes it so easy for us to be smarter about the publishing we do, and until reading your article, I was not aware that they offer this Public Domain option too:
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/

Good morning Joanna. The sycophantic hero worship at ZH jumped out at me as well, and a comment at Jonathan's article this morning voiced another thought I share, for that is the tone that initially comes from Leo:

"Could the motivation for this decision be a simple “I give up”? If it is, I am deeply concerned at the feeling of helplessness expressed." - Recording Studio, at Jonathan's posting:
http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2008/01/09/the-public-domain-trend/

Leo actually starts his article with this preface:

"Editor’s note: This post isn’t directly related to the main topics of Zen Habits, so feel free to skip it if you’re not interested."

He gets such tremendous traffic with his "main topics" that this wasn't necessary for him, and with the conversation there now 125 comments and trackbacks strong as of this writing, I feel for him, backed into a corner with defending his decision - and perhaps working now to talk himself into it?

Jonathan Bailey

Joanna: Hello! I'm glad that you liked the article. It was strange, my good friend Aaron, I believe he was also the one that posted the comment, let me know about what had happened I found myself literally staying up that night trying to figure out why it didn't feel right.

The decision really unsettled me in a way. Even though it wasn't my writing, something about it worried me. As I worked on the article, I figured out my concerns, but I expressed them knowing full and well it was too late. I just hope others don't follow suit and, instead, use the tools provided by Creative Commons to address these concerns.

Rosa: Aloha to you as well! I was also pretty taken aback by the sycophantic nature of the comments. A few people stood up to really analyze the issue but the majority were just "Thank you" and "Way to go".

The problem is that large blogs tend to have a built in cult of personality that drive that kind of thing (when do I hit that point?). Bigger problem though is that saying "I dedicate this blog to the public domain" is like saying "We're going green" or "We're supporting charity X"

It makes people feel good, it gives people the warm and fuzzies and since public domain is even farther left than CC, it makes people feel warmer and fuzzier. The problem is that people rarely stop to ask the hard questions.

In short, the reaction to this type of announcement is usually more emotional than intellectual.

Regarding the comment you referenced, I posted a reply to it a few moments ago, I won't repeat everything but I will say that I doubt that is the case. Unless he is hiding his true reasons for doing this, I feel he likely believes it is for the benefit of his readers, even though the vast majority of his readers will never need it.

However, looking at his "inspirations" it is clear that he has a fundamental misunderstanding about both open source, creative commons and copyright in general.

I hope that it doesn't cost him too dearly. But truthfully, I know it won't. Instead, I have to hope that it won't cost the rest of us too much...

April Groves

Rosa,

I have to agree with you. When my site crashed and I thought it was possible that I had lost all that material, I literally thought I was going to cry. Why? Because it is mine. I worked for it, I birthed it, and it is important to me. To give up the right to lay claim on it feels nearly like giving up my children for anyone to impress upon their own upbringing and call them their own. A bit overstated maybe - but for me, and I am sure you can relate, writing is more than just putting it out there - it is a creation.

I also appreciate your mention of free enterprise. Some of the reaction point to the fact that wealth comes from more than just money. While I believe that is true, I also know that I have a family to feed and clothe and care for. The grocery store and the mortgage company are not giving up their rights to what belongs to them without compensation anytime soon - so neither can I.

BTW - priceless story!

Rosa Say

Mahalo April for adding to this conversation in the thoughtful way you always do!

While Trent was a bit more gung-ho about it, there was something else about the tone of Leo's article that made me uncomfortable, and I couldn't quite put my finger on it until I read your comment just now. Generosity and belief in the greater good of the public is one thing, but we need to respect our own value and worth more than this. You're right, I can relate.

This remains a fascinating case study of the human element to me, and I believe that Jonathan says it well in pointing out that there are quick emotional reactions and more intellectual ones. At the end, we listen to our values (and behave accordingly), and I am very appreciative of this discussion where all of you have shared yours.

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